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The Collectors Newsletter #840 -- December 2010

The Collectors Newsletter #840 -- December 2010

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1. Send Vintage Virtual Holiday Cards...
2. This Week's Survey
3. Stories From our readers
4. This Week's Antique News
5. Your Classifieds
6. Newly listed items
7. Funny Old Stuff
8. Wanted ads. Can you help?
9. A Vintage Recipe
10. A Vintage Recipe Request from a Reader
11. New On line Merchants
12. Helpful Resources For Collectors

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1. Send FREE Vintage Virtual Holiday cards
Send as many as you like to friends and family. See:


2. This Week's Survey
Ever week we post a new survey question and the results from the previous week's survey. Survey questions are about anything related to antiques & collectibles. If you have a suggestion for a survey question, email it to me at phil@tias.com and we might use it in the next newsletter.
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Last weeks Survey question was..
1. A Spanish galleon from the early 1700's, containing $800,000,000 in gold and silver is found in international waters by treasure hunters. They manage to collect and transport all the gold and silver from the wreck back to their home in the U.S. After completing the operation the Spanish government sues the treasure hunters for ownership of the treasure, claiming that it belongs to Spain since it came from one of their ships. Who do you think should have ownership of the treasure?
We received the following replies..
97.1% said the treasure hunters
2.9% said Spain

LOTS of support for the treasure hunters....

Some written replies that were sent in include..
a) Finders keepers on long lost objects
b) Treasure hunting costs millions and millions of dollars. It has such high costs because of specialized equipment, robots, boat charters, crew, insurance, training, and other related expenses. If the government of a country wants to own that sunken treasure, then they should finance the expensive expeditions that were required to retrieve it.
c) Spain did not take the effort to find it, thus effectively abandoning the property.
d) Spain knew it was out there somewhere this whole time. If they wanted it they should have spent their own money to get it.
e) The treasure hunters spent their time & money. They earned it.
f) If Spain wants sunken treasure they can underwrite the treasure hunters' projects.
g) I feel it belongs to the treasure hunters...provided that they have filled out all the necessary paper work that country requires. Treasure hunters invest their own money for the hunt.
h) If it were still sitting at the bottom of the international waters, it belongs to the waters, if some one took the time, expense, and the terrible chance of death, then it should belong to the company that did the research and brought the money to the surface. If this were in International waters, no one would have jurisdiction as Internationale waters are free of ownership.
i) If Spain really wanted the stuff back, then they should have invested in finding it. It's not right for treasure hunters to do all the work and incur the expense just to have the foreign government come and take it away. Unfortunately, the U.S. government will typically side with the other government to avoid "looking bad".
j) IF Spain commissioned the hunters, then it should belong to Spain. However usually the hunters take it upon themselves to find treasure, without any help from any governments. If Spain wanted it so bad, they should have gone after it. Just seems typical. Let someone else bear all the responsibility and costs, then waltz in saying it all belongs to "me".
k) Spain had 300 years to find and claim it, and they didn't. There has to be a statute of limitations for some time!
l) Three-hundred years later, and in international waters, it's "finders-keepers"! The treasure hunters went to the trouble and expense of locating, salvaging, and transporting the cargo. If the government of Spain wanted it so badly, THEY should have located the ship and salvaged it.
m) Because after so many years, it may be impossible to trace who owned the cargo items which were on-board the ship. Also, the owners of the cargo may have been reimbursed by insurance companies for their loss, which then means the cargo would belong to the insurance company. And as far as the gold and silver, it was probably looted from the New World so it didn't belong to Spain to begin with. The ship, since it was a Spanish galleon, does still belong to Spain. They can have the ship if they want to go to the sea floor and retrieve it.
n) The gold should go back to the Indians they stole it from or inslaved to mine it. Since we do not know who the Indians were, the treasure hunters should keep that which the Spanish never attempted to retrieve for centuries. Many cargo's had insurance paid for as well, even back then. Who pays back the insurer?
o) If Spain, or any other country, with discovered sunken treasure is wanting to claim it, I say too bad. Particularly since it is located in international waters. Finders keepers, losers weepers!

Had they been that interested they would have spent the time, energy and finances to research and find the lost treasure themselves. Treasure hunters who do this for a living spend years researching, then they obtain investors, then they physically search the ocean sometimes for years and many times at their own peril.

It would seem in 300 years Spain could have at least made an effort to find it had they been interested. If they want the actual artifacts for the historical perspective, then they should be given first opportunity to purchase some at market value. However, treasure on a Spanish ship, while claimed by Spain, would originally have been stolen from the natives (after having murdered and enslaving them) in Mexico, Central America or South America anyway. So it never actually belonged to Spain.
p) Items that are antiques belong to a museum, not collectors
q) #1-The wreck was in international waters, not the territorial waters of Spain.
#2-If the government in question, or in the case of the Titanic the steamship line, thought so highly of the cargo then they are the ones who should have utilized the technology available to EVERYONE to locate and salvage the wreck.
#3-Same scenario/different scale: someone throws away what they consider to be a worthless old painting. I find it in the trash, clean it up, sell it online for $10,000. The previous owner sues me claiming he should get part, if not all, of the profit. I win! The trash is "public domain" and so it should be with international waters and shipwrecks.
r) If the Spanish government felt they were the true owners, they should have made sure to recover (or protect) the items LONG ago. Surely there must be some way to stake claims for lost (or yet-to-be-found) items?
s) MANY reasons! Right of Salvage, for one. Found in International Waters - NOT Spain's (or anyone's) territory! And if Spain wanted it, why didn't THEY explore for & find it? Spain has NO rights to it whatsoever!
t) I think the Government is over-stepping it's bounds. If the treasure was so important to them, they should have hired someone to retrieve it. Since they didn't, it should belong to those who invested their time, money and effort of retrieving it.
u) Actually both have a hold on it. The treasure hunters because of the cost of retrieving incurred, the expertise of diving for the treasurer and the initial finding of the treasurer. Spain hold a percentage of that profit being the legal owners of the ship, assuming legal ownership can be made. Also, where it was found (in whose waters) would also claim a right but I do not believe they are due any profit.
v) If it is a military ship that actually belongs to the current government then they should have claim to it but not to ships that are carrying private cargo. Then the heirs or insurance companies if still in business who paid them should have some claim to it up to to what they paid back then plus inflation.

This weeks survey question is ....

Many people use vintage items in their Holiday decorations. In this weeks survey we try to find out how many folks use vintage decorations and what those decorations are. Take a look at http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/MCR5M88

3. Stories from our readers
We collect interesting stories about collecting. Things like your best find, unusual collections, bizarre collectibles even things that bug you. Anything and everything that is interesting that has to do with antiques & collectibles. We may publish it here. Send your story to Phil@tias.com

Dear Phil. I was born in 1932. and we spent many happy hours and some very uncomfortable hours in the out house when I was a kid. The winters were very uncomfortable time as it was cold cold out there. But summers were different, We took our time and a story my grandmother told me about a little girl. Her mother and her were visiting a lady and the little girl had to go to the out house , so mother went with her.

We always had last years catalog, out there because there was no toilet paper to be had. We would spend time when we were out there looking through the catalog.

This little girl was looking at the catalog and found a very pretty picture , of a lady dressed oh so fine . She tore the page out and folded it and began to put it in her pocket. The mother told her , you cannot take the page unless you ask the lady,who it belongs to.

So of course the lady did not care and gave her the page. But on that day it taught this little girl , a lesson about not taking things that belong to someone else. Now this story and lesson was passed down to many generations. It taught me a lesson I never forgot. and I have told the story many time to our children and our grandchildren.

We still have a old outhouse , on our farm , but it now sits , empty , all but the bees, snakes and a occasional bird building a nest.

But when I was a girl , it was a important part of our lives. Dolores

--Another Story--

This is definitely something that needs to be addressed. When I offer $20 dollars for something, then that what I should pay plus tax. The idea that I should pay someone a surcharge for my purchasing it is robbery. Most auctioneers I know already make 25 to 35% commission from the seller. I quit going to several auction houses in this area due to this practice. Since I am buying the item, as is, where is, without any kind of warranty,etc. I set the price I'm willing to bid, not an additional charge made up by the auctioneer for the privilege of hearing his voice. - Jacqueline D. - Princeton, La.


4. This week's Antique News
TIAS.com the Webs largest online antique and collectible mall today released their monthly "Hot List" of Antiques & Collectibles. The TIAS "Hot List" has been published monthly since 2002. These monthly "Hot Lists" are based on hundreds of thousands of searches by people using the online search engines at the indicated Web sites. This month's list includes the top 10 terms for November 2010. The top 10 searches for October are also included for comparison.

Keep in mind that these searches are what people were looking for, not necessarily what they were buying. In many cases, people will search for items when they are just trying to determine a value of a specific item that they have in their possession.

Here are the top ten search words used at http://www.TIAS.com. This site specializes in offering a broad range of antiques and collectibles:

November 2010

1. China & Dinnerware
2. Glass
3. Porcelain & Pottery
4. Silver
5. Figurines
6. Vases
7. Stamps
8. Dolls
9. Art
10. Kitchen Collectibles

October 2010

1. China & Dinnerware
2. Glass
3. Porcelain & Pottery
4. Vases
5. Figurines
6. Silver
7. Stamps
8. Plates
9. Art
10. Kitchen Collectibles

Here are the top ten search words used at http://www.AntiqueArts.com . This site specialized in "high end" Antiques and Art:

November 2010
1. Transferware
2. Staffordshire
3. Chairs
4. Tables
5. Mirrors
6. Tiffany
7. Desks
8. Nippon
9. Sofas
10. CDV (carte de visite)

October 2010
1. Chairs
2. Tables
3. Transferware
4. Sofas
5. Desks
6. Tiffany
7. Mirrors
8. Staffordshire
9. Nippon
10. CDV (carte de visite)

Past hot lists can now be viewed online in the TIAS Newsletter archives, just search for "Hot List" at http://www.tias.com/newsletter
If you want to tell the world about your antiques & collectibles business, auction, club or upcoming event related to the antiques and collectibles trade, you can post it for free at http://www.News-Antique.com the #1 listing on Google for "Antique News" Your news release will get published online and will also appear in this newsletter so that 15,000 people can read it. To post a release, go to http://www.News-Antique.com
Check the latest news headlines about antiques and collectibles at http://www.News-Antique.com
1. Forgotten Modern Master to be Auctioned by
Click here: http://news-antique.com/?id=795723

2. Lichtenstein painting purchased for $27.50
sells 45 years later for $128,700
Click here: http://news-antique.com/?id=795710

3. Autograph Pros, GRAMMY Foundation® and
MusiCares Foundation® - The Incredible Trio!
Click here: http://news-antique.com/?id=795709

4. Moran’s Announces First Decorative and Fine
Arts Sale of 2011
Click here: http://news-antique.com/?id=795708

5. For hip and chic vintage rings, check out the
designer range at vintageyard.com and see
your senses
Click here: http://news-antique.com/?id=795689

6. War Posters as History and Art This Week at
Click here: http://news-antique.com/?id=795678

7. Rinkya’s Yousei (Elf) Yourself 4th Annual Report
Click here: http://news-antique.com/?id=795677

8. Chinese display cabinet fetches $34,500 at
Leland Little Auction
Click here: http://news-antique.com/?id=795676

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10. Skinner 20th Century Auction Features Tiffany,
Roycroft and Hans Wegner Furniture, Walley
Pottery a
Click here: http://news-antique.com/?id=795674

11. Stanley Gibbons Heads East in the Pursuit
of Profits
Click here: http://news-antique.com/?id=795672

12. Stanley Gibbons All World Public Auction
Offers New Discoveries
Click here: http://news-antique.com/?id=795671

13. Have An American Antique Adventure!
Click here: http://news-antique.com/?id=795642

14. Autograph Collectors Daily - Top 10 Celebrity
Signers in 2010
Click here: http://news-antique.com/?id=795616

15. Original items from Teenage Mutant Ninja
Turtles creators in February Heritage auction\
Click here: http://news-antique.com/?id=795615

16. The Jim O’Neal Collection of $5 Indians
readies for auction in Heritage FUN U.S.
Coin event
Click here: http://news-antique.com/?id=795613

17. Rare New Orleans gold, Saint-Gaudens
coinage and 18th century rarities of early U.S.
Mint at Auction
Click here: http://news-antique.com/?id=795594

18. Kovels on Antiques & Collectibles December
2010 Newsletter Available
Click here: http://news-antique.com/?id=795593

19. Pittsburgh Pirate Legend Roberto Clemente
This Week at LiveAuctionTalk.com
Click here: http://news-antique.com/?id=795581

20. Online Country estate sale
Click here: http://news-antique.com/?id=795571
MANY more stories are added several times a day. You can read the latest news now at:

5, Your Classifieds...
Time Was Antiques Shelley China Specialists

A Time Remembered

Disney Lenox Snow White Seven Dwarfs Treasure Box Set

Vintage Paper Items Postcards Photos Victorian Scrap

Do you have antiques or collectibles you are just itching to sell? A simple classified ad in this newsletter might just be your answer. Over 15,000 readers subscribe to this newsletter. One of them just might be able to help you out. Place your ad today at: http://tinyurl.com/39eulu

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6. Newly listed items for your online shopping pleasure for Saturday December 11, 2010 Stop by and check out today's fresh inventory at:
TIAS.com - http://www.tias.com/showcase
CollectorOnline - http://cgi.tias.com/showcase/?groupKey=7
AntiqueArts - http://cgi.tias.com/showcase/?groupKey=3
Earthling - http://cgi.tias.com/showcase/?groupKey=6

7, Funny Old Stuff
This is our humor section. These are humorous family stories and comments that are sent in by readers. If you have a submission you would like to share, please send it to newsletter@tias.com and we may run it in the next issue.
I recently joined my daughter and two granddaughters on a road trip. My 6-year old granddaughter overheard her mother and I talking about a relative. My daughter made the comment, "I know she wears the pants in that family." To that my granddaughter replied, "Your right, I never see her in shorts." Mickey
Do you have a funny family story you would like to share? Make someone feel good by sharing it with us. Send it to newsletter@tias.com and we may publish it here.

8. Wanted ads. Can you help?
Here are the latest wanted ads from the TIAS Exchange. Can you help someone out?
WANTED: Vintage Medical and dental Items. Especially quackery.

WANTED: Gerardo Lopez Flatware --Vintage Taxco
GET YOUR WANTED AD HERE! Just $10 and we'll send it out to 15,000 people who get this newsletter. Go to http://www.tias.com/cgi-bin/submitClassified.cgi
Looking for something? Place a "Wanted" ad in this newsletter. Over 16,000 subscribers will see it. It's easy, go to: http://www.tias.com/cgi-bin/submitClassified.cgi

9. A Vintage Recipe
Be sure to check out our vintage recipe archive online at: http://www.tias.com/newsletter/topics/A%20Vintage%20Recipe.html Over 1200 wonderful vintage recipes are listed.

In the last issue a reader requested a recipe for "English Apple Pie" we received the following...
Hello, Most apple pie recipes will work, but over 50 years of baking I can truthfully say the old fashion Spintzenberg apple makes the best sweet/tart apple pie around. Good luck.- Mari Collier

--Another Comment--

I don't have pie recipe per se; however, I do know that what makes an English apple pie so special is the apples - Bramley apples. Ask any Brit. They are extremely difficult to find in the U.S. but some orchards do have them. Without Bramley apples nothing else matters.
If you enjoy these vintage recipes, you should buy a vintage cookbook from us. They make great gifts too. Take a look at: http://www.tias.com/cookbooks
Buy a Vintage Kitchen collectible from us. We've got lots of them here: http://www.tias.com/kitchen
10. A vintage recipe request from a reader
As with collectibles, people also have very strong feelings about foods from their past. Sometimes these special recipes get lost. This section is to help people who are looking for lost recipes from their past. If you submit a request, please include the geographical region where you had this recipe.
My husband's Mom made a wonderful Applesauce cake, and she has been gone for many years now, and he still wishes for her recipe. There were 8 kids in the family, 4 of them girls, and not a single one knows how she made this cake. It was spicy and delicious. Any help for a good vintage recipe would be appreciated.
Thanks, Patsy
If you can help this reader with this recipe, please forward it to recipes@tias.com . If you have a vintage recipe request send it to recipes@tias.com and we might just publish it here.
Be sure to check out our vintage kitchen collectibles section online at: http://www.tias.com/kitchen

11. New Online Merchants
Be sure to check out all of the fresh inventory offered by these new merchants at TIAS.
Curekys1 Stop Shop
Welcome to my store. Thanks for stopping. My inventory includes Glassware, Porcelain, Vintage Toys, Comics, Sports Memorabilia, clothing, Jewelry and Dolls . Your satisfaction guaranteed or 7-day money back guarantee. I Accept Postal Money Orders.

Awesome Costume Jewelry
I was a fashion designer so beautiful vintage jewelry has always attracted me. Being an avid collector I began to see that others may enjoy the pieces that I had fallen in love with.

Joni's Stuff - Antiques & More!
Vintage Kitchen Stuff, Linens, Glassware, Lamps, Furniture, and little bit of everything else.

Texas Trading Post
I try to find things that are just a little different. I sell pottery & porcelains, historical items and militaria, western antiques, but really anything that I think is cool...hope you do too!

Art & Antiques of Bulgaria
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I guarantee the authenticity of all of my items. I am an honest seller who has always believed that you treat people the way you would like to be treated.Check back often as we will be adding items daily.

12. Helpful Resources:
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