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The Collectors Newsletter #869 -- October 2011
The Collectors Newsletter #869 -- October 2011

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1. Work from home selling antiques & collectibles
2. This Week's Survey
3. Stories From our readers
4. This Week's Antique News
5. Your Classifieds
6. Newly listed items
7. Funny Old Stuff
8. Wanted ads. Can you help?
9. A Vintage Recipe
10. A Vintage Recipe Request from a Reader
11. New On line Merchants
12. Helpful Resources For Collectors

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2. This Week's Survey
Every week we post a new survey question and the results from the previous week's survey. Survey questions are about anything related to antiques & collectibles. If you have a suggestion for a survey question, email it to me at phil@tias.com and we might use it in the next newsletter.
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This week's survey question was submitted by a reader...

"Do your readers know that when they do a search on Google's product search at: http://shopping.google.com for the keyword "Antiques" they will get 100 pages of results consisting of new reproductions and books, but not one actual antique. Does it matter to your readers that there are no actual antiques showing up in Google's search results?"

It takes just a few seconds to give us your answer to this questions at: http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/6BZ6Y92
We'll tabulate the results and comments and publish them in next week's newsletter.

The Last Survey Question Was....

"I’ve seen this vexing question come up in many families where the parents have antiques. What is the best way to divide up the antiques amongst the children?

My own family will someday be in this predicament. Some family members have more money than others, so if the items are sold at auction, certain family members have an advantage. We’ve had problems with some family members telling my parents they would love to have a particular item, so my parents give them that item without telling anyone else. We’ve discussed picking items in a certain order, but that gives the advantage to the first person who picks.

One time I bought some old Lionel trains from a man who had inherited them from his father. I asked him how they divided up their things. He said that his sister was made executor and she decided that the oldest would pick first, then the next oldest, and so on down the line of seven children. Then, after all seven had chosen, the oldest would pick again and the process repeated. I asked how he felt about the fairness of that. He said it seemed fair to him. Then, I asked where was he in the line of children. He said he was the oldest.

I’ve tried to come up with a fair and equitable distribution method, but I cannot come up with anything fairer than having a public auction and allowing family members to bid if they choose to do so. The downside is that the public can also bid and come away with family items. And, the auction house comes away with 20% or more out of the estate. And I’m sure there are tax implications.

I would like to hear ideas from others about distributing family antiques."

Here are the answers we received.....
5.4% - said "Sell everything at auction and divide up the money."
16.1% - said "Use a lottery where each relative gets to select an item."
78.6% - said "I have another idea......"

a) I have heard a variation of oldest picks first & youngest picks last. Instead of starting back with the oldest on the second round, the youngest picks first in the second round & the oldest picks last.

b) If your parents are still alive and wish to do so, have them gift the items to the child or family member of their choice. If they don't wish to do so, use the lottery system. But before you start that, tell any family member who has already received one or more items because they begged first, that they must stand back until the rest of the family members catch up. And, anyone who whines is automatically out. You know...if you contest the will, you're out of it. People who pig out on family material items to the detriment of family love should be put in the sty where they belong.

c) If there are several family members, it would seem most fair to draw lots for order of choosing items. Maybe this is the same as #2, the lottery, but I'm not sure. My sister and I had no problem taking turns picking because we get along well and with only 2 the turns came quickly. I don't remember how we chose who selected first. I think one of us probably said "You can go first." It's nice when family get along, but of course, our parents didn't own the Hope Diamond.

d) Well, if your father dies before your step-mom you won't have to worry. You get nothing & her family gets it all. I can not believe my father left me nothing. And I know the house--the one my father was born in & has been in his life since before 1924 is already in her kids' names. Makes people complaining they didn't get "first pick" or just what they wanted sound kinda shallow, doesn't it?

e) In my family, my parents made it very clear in their will that my brother was to get the family farm which he had spent his life running and I was to get a cash settlement and everything in the house. Some people felt that I got the short end of the stick, but I did not give up the career I desperately wanted, to go back home to run the farm. In my husband's family, it was quite another story. He is one of 4 and his mother's will stipulated that the estate be divided into fifths, with 2/5ths going to one heir. When the sons decided to draw numbers to see who would go first in choosing certain household items, many of which were fine antiques, the one with the 2/5ths announced he would be first and he would chose 2 things on his turn, while each of the others would chose one item. What he did not share was that he had had an appraiser in and he knew the value of everything and made sure his picks were the most valuable. The others chose for sentimental reasons. It caused a rift that exists to this day, 28 years later. I think the heirs need to sit down with their parents and insist that the will be specific and fair. No one should go through what my husband's family did.

f) This worked well with the distribution of my in-law's family things. Whoever wanted an item put their name and the date on it with a label or tape--on the back or bottom. There were no arguments. When that was done, the grandchildren were allowed to take their choice of items. If two or more wanted the same item, straws were drawn to see who got the longest one and that person got the item. Anne, PA

g) My grandparents had 6 daughters and one son. When my grandmother died, my grandfather put a different number on each of her best pieces of jewelry. He had each child pick a number out of a hat. The child got the article with the corresponding number.

h) My mom said whoever argues about something they want doesn't get anything. There are so few of us and we all have no children, so it won't be an issue.

i) The family members are assigned a number and a non-interested party draws the numbers out of box, then the number drawn picks one item, after each family member has picked one item, they start over until all items are chose, If there is a particular item one family member wants that person can deal with the family member who chose it and try to make a deal, or offer to buy it from that person.

j) Everything is hands off for 6 months. Then the family can come together in a more calm frame of mind and make decisions about who gets what and what to do with the rest. The democratic method should work.

k) We used this method to divide up my Grandmother's estate and it worked very well. We drew numbers to decide the order and then took turns picking something from the estate until we were through, then the rest went to auction.

l) I hated to read that about the oldest getting to pick first each and every time..where is the fairness in that?! People should do what my mother and her 3 siblings did after my grandmother passed away, they put 4 pieces of paper in a bowl numbered 1,2,3,& 4...each time they would redraw a number and pick according to what they drew out. It was perfectly fair and kept any hard feelings out of the process. That's what me and my 3 siblings will be doing when the time comes...of course I'd rather have my wonderful mom around forever then any possession she owns but....

m) The owner of the items should talk to their heirs to see who wants what and either give it to them outright, or make a list and give it to everybody saying who gets what. My sisters and I talked to our dad 30 years ago and we settled on the most important items. I don't have much of value, but I've taped notes to the bottoms of particular items that have sentimental value to a particular child, designating to whom it should be given. I try to include a little history of the item also. Judy

n) The way I see it someone has to be first to choose & there has to be someone that is last to choose. Maybe have the list of people from children oldest to the youngest & the siblings of the person from oldest to the youngest or whom ever else is participating in selecting keep sakes all listed from oldest to the youngest.Once everyone has chosen an item in turn,then reverse the list & start with the youngest for the second choice to the oldest with the list of the children & the siblings of the person as first & second & other relatives if they are taking part. Then the youngest is first & the oldest is last. Depending on the amount of treasures there are,this can be reversed again. Just a thought.

o) First of all I would ask each sibling or closet relative which items they would like to have. They would have to write it down and give it the paper to you. If more than one person wanted a certain item, then their names would go into a hat and the first name pulled would get that item. Then GIVE it to then right away. Why wait until you die to have all this taken care of!? I personally do not like the idea of an auction house selling off grandma's things, because if there was really something I cherished, but could not afford to buy, it would break my heart. I would be ok with an estate sale, but only after siblings or very close relations, got to chose one or two personal items or maybe three at the most. Then the remainder could be sold for the money.

p) I think the lottery system would work in most cases or the idea that many folks have mentioned over the years of putting notes on the back side of an item regarding who it should go to. It is unfortunate that with some families it wouldn't matter what method was used, there would be trouble. Many members of my Dad's family didn't speak to each other for over twenty years due a few items that were deemed "unfairly" distributed after my grandmother died. In my opinion it would be ideal to discuss and decide BEFORE it becomes an estate issue. The death of a family member is a time of high emotions and the last thing that needs to be added to that is a misunderstanding over a family heirloom.

q) With problems already with some siblings getting what they wanted from the parents - the first thing to do is make sure a impartial party, an attorney, is involved to handle the proper distribution. And an attorney who has not represented any family member previously. Then every sibling should be provided a list of all items and asked to mark which items they would like to have and in what order = 1 through how ever many items they are. And the attorney would compile who wanted what. At a required meeting with all present, if they wanted to be included, anyone being a no show would automatically and immediately give up their rights to anything forever. Those wanting the same items would be asked to decide which one of them would get that item. No one person would get any more items then any other person. Those items which could not be decided on would be put up for sale, all handled by the attorney's office, and the total amounts divided equally between the siblings. Those who received items from the parents in secret = would have to bring the items in to be divided along with all others. Anyone refusing would not be allowed to pick out or receive any other items(s) or any money from any item(s) because Fraud is a criminal offense. Otherwise, all items, included the ones already in the possession of the siblings who cheated and got item(s) from their parents in secret = would be collected and sold by the attorney's office in a nearby unknown city; usually by us paralegals and other office staff renting space at a flea market and selling it all in one or two days = to non family members and the total amount divided equally among all siblings. If a large amount needed to be transported, then a Rental truck would be rented and used and of course all of this cost for the rental, mileage and gas would also be paid for equally by all siblings. I previously worked many years as a paralegal and have personally witnessed everything from heated arguments, to fist fights, to siblings breaking into the deceased parent's home and stealing items before the distribution could be made. And then the other siblings having them arrested and sent to jail for the break in. Unfortunately, when siblings can not decide who gets what when more than one wants that item = it must be sold and the money divided. And of course the attorney's fee and costs must be divided equally among the siblings.

r) I have a notebook, which I have submitted to our three children at random times when they are here alone, visiting. Each has gone room by room, plus any exterior possessions outside the house, and written a brief description of items which they would enjoy in their homes.(Also, they include certain objects which they distinctly do NOT want to inherit). I will make a master list, room by room(with digital photos), with each inheritor's name by the items. When my daughter, the executor, comes to the time of carrying out the distribution, it will make it much more fair and equitable. ( I will opt, also, to allow grandchildren and daughters/sons/in/law to do their own list, and that will help assure that the bulk of the furnishings are disposed of without an auction or estate sale) I have quite some experience with the disposal of "creature possessions", having been executor to four separate estates, or inheritor of several myself. This is why I believe this is the most fair, objective, and non-controversial manner of dealing with the matter. Hope my guidance is helpful for some folks.

s) We raised 3 kids to love and take care of family. I have been to auctions where family members bid against each other. Not a pleasing site. I had 2 uncles go to their graves that had not spoken the last 10 years of their lives for the same reasons. Knowing that someday we would be faced with this predicament, we made a will and divided items between our 3 kids. If they want to barter between them, (and they probably will), that is ok. Every few years, we update with a codicil.

t) Items should always be given away by the owners before death to avoid probate, inheritance tax and to provide the giver with the knowledge that their wishes cannot be usurped after they are gone. If this is not possible, a simple equitable distribution method is done by placing numbers in a container and allowing survivors to pick according to the number drawn.

u) My wife and I have been holding estate (tag) sales for about 15 years. Occasionally we run upon a family that is at odds over the stuff. One solution we have used is to hold a sale only for the family a few days before the actual public estate sale. This way, the money went into a common pool and was split up after all the items had been disposed of, giving each heir a chance to get the items they want, with sort of a rebate a short while later. It's interesting to note that many fractured relationships were put on the path to healing because of the sale.

v) options: 1. pick a neutral non-family member executor 2. have a meeting with ALL family members to discuss then document in addendum to your parent's Will 3. Let your parents decide - after all, they are the current owners of the items My big question is: why are YOU the one to DECIDE? Your parents should decide. Luckily we don't have this predicament in our family as we already discussed amongst the members. But my Mom went through a bad experience and my Aunt starting taking things out of their Mother's house before Mom got there; Karma has dealt with her though. We let the bad feelings go....time passed.

w) When my mother in law passed away several years ago, some of my husband's siblings just went & took what they wanted & then lied about how they didn't get anything worthwhile. His niece deliberately took items that my late mother in law had promised her daughters & refused to return them. My husband got very little. He was also promised certain items by his father and has yet to receive anything. My father in law did attempt to have some antiques auctioned off but ended up buying many of them back himself when he saw how little they went for, One of my husband's brothers took it upon himself to sell certain items & then took a hefty "commission" for himself. The smart thing to do would be to sell everything at auction & put the money into the estate.

Editors note: We received so many thoughtful answers, we'll run some more in next weeks issue....

3. Stories from our readers
We collect interesting stories about collecting. Things like your best find, unusual collections, bizarre collectibles even things that bug you. Anything and everything that is interesting that has to do with antiques & collectibles. We may publish it here. Send your story to Phil@tias.com
I was an antiques dealer in New England in the 1990s and specialized in hand-painted china. I found a lovely eight-piece breakfast set in a shop in a town south of Boston, which included a plate, a cup and saucer, an egg cup, a small bowl, etc. It was a pale yellow with forget-me-nots in the center of each plate. Each was signed on the bottom “MSH”.

Two years later, I was in a shop in Maine along the coast north of York. Browsing the shelves I came upon a pair of tiny salt-and-pepper shakers in a little basket. Hand-painted, pale yellow with forget-me-nots, and yes, “MSH” on the bottom!

How these got separated from the rest of the dainty set is a mystery. The fact that I’d found both parts of the set, two years apart, is even more of a mystery. Barbara B, Syracuse, NY

4. This week's Antique News
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3. Ken Price Geometric Cup on the Block at Cowan's + Clark + DelVecchio's November 4-5 Ceramics Auction
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5. Xcntric Chicago Estate Sales Liquidation Company ~ Woodridge Estate Sale Oct 14-15, 2011
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6. 1906 Rock Island Railroad sign steams to $71,500 at Showtime Auction
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7. England’s Important Silversmiths De Lamarie, Storr, and Bateman, cross the block at AGOPB Auction!
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8. Lieutenant Governor Opens Stanley Gibbons’ New Hill Street Office
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9. ToyPedia Adds New Curator
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10. Vintage jewelry launched latest collection of wedding bands
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11. Dovetail antiques completes $18,000 online order of antique furniture purchased through TIAS.com
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12. John Wayne's ‘Green Beret’ Brings $179,250 in a $5.38 Million Record-Breaking Event at Heritage
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13. The estate of the late Julie Pais will be sold Oct. 29 in Panama City, Fla.
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14. Randolph Street Market Reviews Summer of Fun
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15. The Wikicollecting Top 10 Most Expensive Manchester United Memorabilia
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16. Sales Total Over $450,000 at Cowan's October 8 Fall Fine and Decorative Art Auction
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7, Funny Old Stuff
This is our humor section. These are humorous family stories and comments that are sent in by readers. If you have a submission you would like to share, please send it to newsletter@tias.com and we may run it in the next issue.
My nephew is a painter, and together we have made magic with junk. I found a table pedestal on the street, the top was all warped but the pedestal was OK. It was a "high top" but he cut it to size, and put a 36" plywood round from Lowe's on it. He painted it a lovely off white; my grandson and I put up a white Christmas tree on it that year. Then I put it in my antique mall space to put things on, and didn't really intend to sell it. Then the owner called asking for a price. No chairs, mind you, and it is impossible to sell a table with no chairs.

I thought I'd put a ridiculously high price on it and said $350. They paid it without arguing. I was left without a table wondering what happened. The owner of the mall thought it was the size---I love trash picking.
Do you have a funny family story you would like to share? Make someone feel good by sharing it with us. Send it to newsletter@tias.com and we may publish it here.

8. Wanted ads. Can you help?
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9. A Vintage Recipe
Be sure to check out our vintage recipe archive online at: http://www.tias.com/newsletter/topics/A%20Vintage%20Recipe.html Over 1200 wonderful vintage recipes are listed.

In the last issue Delsya requested a recipe for "green burgers". We received the following...

--Green Burger--
1 boiled potato
50 gms spinach boiled
50 gms green peas boiled
Burger roll (bun)-1
8 tbsp oil
some green onion slices
2 tbsp cheese spread
1/4 tsp chaat masala
1/4 tsp black pepper powder
some sliced onion and tomato rings
tomato ketchup and salt to taste
Take a bowl and mix potatoes,spinach,green peas together. Give the mixture a roll shape and fry it in oil till golden brown. Cut the burger roll into 2 pieces and fry them on a pan with some oil. Apply some cheese spread on both sides add tomato and onion rings. Now add the green onion slices between these cut halves of the bun, sprinkle some black pepper and chaat masala over it. Press the two halves of the bun with light hands so that the stuffed items get settled. Serve hot with tomato ketchup...Carol Thomas
Buy a Vintage Kitchen collectible from us. We've got lots of them here: http://www.tias.com/showcase/1/Kitchen_Collectibles/1.html
10. A vintage recipe request from a reader
As with collectibles, people also have very strong feelings about foods from their past. Sometimes these special recipes get lost. This section is to help people who are looking for lost recipes from their past. If you submit a request, please include the geographical region where you had this recipe.
I'm looking for a recipe for an easy to make bread that I can serve nice and hot with our Sunday breakfast. Does anyone have a favorite recipe they can share? It would make my family very happy. They have been bugging me to do this for quite some time. Deb..
If you can help this reader with this recipe, please forward it to recipes@tias.com . If you have a vintage recipe request send it to recipes@tias.com and we might just publish it here.
Be sure to check out our vintage kitchen collectibles section online at: http://www.tias.com/showcase/1/Kitchen_Collectibles/1.html

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